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		<description><![CDATA[Tweet The Bad SEO  Rep Thing SEO as an industry has for a long time now suffered with a terrible rep. The web is littered with case after case of burnt individuals recounting stories of being mislead at best and defrauded at worst &#8211; An examination of a lot of these tales will often reveal <a href='http://www.yackyack.co.uk/seo/seo-realistic-ranking/'>[...]</a>


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<p><strong>The Bad SEO  Rep Thing</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.yackyack.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/lennie.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-519" title="lennie" src="http://www.yackyack.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/lennie-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="105" height="105" /></a>SEO as an industry has for a long time now suffered with a terrible rep. The web is littered with case after case of burnt individuals recounting stories of being mislead at best and defrauded at worst &#8211; An examination of a lot of these tales will often reveal a well trodden path of company promised one thing whilst delivering another, usually in the form of not very much at all, or in extreme cases a nice page 6 ranking penalty from the Google monster.</p>
<p><strong>Top 10 is it then Len</strong>?</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s interesting that this happens, despite the wealth of info out there.  Google even publishes a guide to SEO, which for the DIY brigade, is a good little reference point. Yet the reality is that whatever way you dice it, there&#8217;s only ever really 10 organic spots to be had and unless you&#8217;re above the fold, you might as well not be there.</p>
<p>Sure, there&#8217;s Local,  Universal and Social and all that blah blah blah but let&#8217;s face it, if you aren&#8217;t ranking at positions 1 to 5  in a clean non obfuscated SERP then&#8230;need I state the obvious?</p>
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<p><strong>The Good the Bad and the Ugly</strong></p>
<p>Now of course, there are many reputable SEO practitioners and agencies out there &#8211; damn good ones in fact, who when asked to deliver come up with the goods or are honest enough to be clear and transparent setting realistic expectations and deliverables.  The flipside is, that there are also a good number who are at best mediocre and at worst chuffing rubbish. No, I&#8217;m not going to name names, that would be silly and harmful to my bank balance, and to be completely truthful  I don&#8217;t really know any SEO Cocks other than the few who occassionly follow me on Twitter promising wealth beyond my wildest dreams.</p>
<p>I do think it&#8217;s worth touching upon how such people get to proliferate ( low barriers to entry, lots of disinformation, lack of a recognised point of Industry authority, uninformed buyers, greed, unrealistic expectations of product etc ).</p>
<p><strong> Everybody Wants to Rule the World, especially Business People</strong></p>
<p>People with businesses in a particular niche quite often want to rule their little worlds. The mindset of most business people is one of make money, be profitable, grow, expand. The internet of course, is one such vehicle that offers an apparenteasy road to riches; who amongst you never heard of someone making money online? How many blogs out there are full of accounts that showed company X  increasing its bottom line by a 1000% or more!?</p>
<p>So the ground is ripe for virtually every business person out there, be they large Corp or SME to naturally want to grab a slice of that pie. We marketers are not short of an idea or two and will happily provide them with the rationale to succeed &#8211; we&#8217;ll put together fancy presentations with projections and volumes and trends and numbers and pound note signs, yet how many of us are completely and utterly frank?</p>
<p>Sure, you&#8217;ll all say, not me guv, we offer utter transparency in all of our dealings and would never ever lead anyone up the garden path. Well, ok , so sure, no one in their right mind is going to publicly come out and say &#8221; <em>Yep, we delude prospects, it&#8217;s a good way of getting sales</em>&#8221;   because&#8230;well, that would be very silly indeed.</p>
<p>I do get around though, and I do talk to people, and I do hear stories that make me think hmmn, yep, I get that and I understand why it happens.</p>
<p><strong>People Need Their Jobs and Often Do As They Are Told</strong></p>
<p>Example: sales person in company X needs to hit targets. Get&#8217;s assigned a vertical, let&#8217;s just say it&#8217;s the finance vertical. He or she has a long list of prospects, leads etc sourced from email lists, or conference events attended by marketing bods or directors looking to get a hook in this SEO thing and make their company money.</p>
<p>Sales guy calls a lead up, its in the &#8216;Loans&#8217; vertical let&#8217;s call it &#8220;Freds Exorbitant Loan Company&#8217;, the dialogue might go a little like this.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Sales guy</strong>: Hi I hear you are interested in our SEO services</p>
<p><strong>Loans guy:</strong> Yes, very much so, we want to rank for loans in Google</p>
<p><strong>Sales guy:</strong> You do huh, I think we can help you with that, it is very competitive though and might take some time and a considerable investment</p>
<p><strong> Loans guy: </strong>Sure, we understand that, but can you get us to page one for loans</p>
<p><strong>Sales guy:</strong> Sales patter, sales patter, anything to get the sale&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>And on it goes.</p>
<p><strong>Buyer Beware Do Your Homework</strong></p>
<p>The reality is, that to compete or rank in the loans vertical for a run of the mill small time loan broker/money lender is just not realistic. It&#8217;s an industry full of big time players running into the 100&#8242;s of  thousands  who throw millions daily at PPC and organic, employing teams of people working on their rankings day in day out. &#8216;Freds Exorbitant Loan Company&#8217; is very unlikely to have a USP, he won&#8217;t be a money supermarket, or a big bank, or radical new way of lending or anything else other than a tuppence ha&#8217;penny lead selling robbing bastard, yet greedy sales guy will often tell him what he wants to hear.</p>
<p>Does sales guy say:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8216;<em>look mate, don&#8217;t bother with SEO, you aren&#8217;t going to rank for loans in month of happy Sundays, go spend your money on PPC unless that is, you want to invest a million quid in a radical idea that will create buzz in the marketplace and with TV and newspaper ads will help put you on the map&#8217;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>If he does PPC he might, but that isn&#8217;t what Loans guy wants to hear. He wants to believe he can get there and in some cases he&#8217;ll be helped to solidify that idea in his mind. he isn&#8217;t told that there are only a max of maybe 6 positions worth having and that in the game of catchup he is very very far behind. No, he is told what he wants to hear because the guy wants to make the sale.</p>
<p><strong>The Tip Of an Iceberg?</strong></p>
<p>Ok, so I picked an extreme &#8211; but the principle holds true &#8211; the sales guy wants to convert, the marketing guy wants to believe that the SEO can deliver.</p>
<p>They both have a job to do. They all have someone somewhere who they need to bullshit. Marketing guy can&#8217;t really say to uninformed CEO of shitty offline company bringing nothing new to the party:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<em>Boss, our product is shit we need to do it better, we aren&#8217;t Barclays Bank or Moneysupermarket</em>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>He should, but he&#8217;s often caught up in a wealth of other company politics that prevents him from doing so.</p>
<p>Sales guy conversely, might not really get what he does and won&#8217;t have the balls to say to his marketing director or CEO :</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<em>Boss, why the effers are we even attempting to service these SME&#8217;s who don&#8217;t have a hats hoot in hells chance of ranking for their desired keywords, we are just taking their money and deluding them&#8221; </em></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d imagine that there are 1000&#8242;s of examples  like this, where companies/individuals have been lead to believe in one thing, whilst getting another. Net effect is disgruntlement, suspicion and another poke in the eye for the SEO industry.</p>
<p><strong>Get realistic, get Transparent</strong></p>
<p>Transparency is the answer. Yet in reality, it is  clearly a difficult path for some to tread in a global marketplace of others who will say anything to get the sale . Buyers need to get savvy and ask the probing questions. If the company says it can get them there, then get it to put its money where its mouth is. Offer revenue shares, allow the promoting company to share in what it delivers.  If the company believes in what it is saying, then it shouldn&#8217;t really baulk at the idea, if it does then&#8230;time to look at a different pricing model or just wake up to the fact that it might take a whole lot longer than any 12 month contract suggests.</p>
<p>Maybe the Industry needs to agree to a benchmark of standards that say &#8211; if you want to rank for X whilst being the size of Y and only established for Z then you haven&#8217;t got a chance in hell.</p>
<p>Yet to say so, would be to consign to defeat the very notion that is clearly alive and well on the web, the view that anyone with a good idea, who is fleet of foot, adaptive, entrepreneurial, adds value etc can succeed and win against the odds, and there&#8217;ll always be someone who believes in that.</p>
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<h3>SEO Junior Role Job Vacancy London 14th Aug 2009</h3>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">We need a new SEO head in the Latitude <a href="http://www.latitudegroup.com/seo/">London SEO</a> team &#8211; It&#8217;s a Junior Role, so a great opp to learn lots and work with a great bunch of nerds. If interested  please at me on <a href="http://twitter.com/robwatts">@robwatts</a> on twitter and I&#8217;ll get back to you.  Requirements &#8211; <strong>An absolute demonstrable Passion For Search! </strong>You&#8217;ll be able to demonstrate your knowledge of search, evident through your participation and general knowledge.<br />
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You&#8217;ll be working with great brands and will get an excellent grounding in search and onlihne marketing  from a group of people who live and breath it daily, it really is a great opportunity.</p>
<p>I  hope to hear from you soon!</p>
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<p><strong>The online space never stands still &#8211; keep raising the bar</strong></p>
<p>The great thing about online marketing is that it never sit stills it&#8217;s constantly evolving, constantly shifting. Today&#8217;s billy big bollox is often tommorrows has been. Sites that don&#8217;t step up are often swept away in whatever algorithmic or quality rater review so happens to contribute to their demise.</p>
<p>The simple thing is this &#8211; &#8220;If you want to succeed online, then you have to make a good site&#8221; it really is that simple &#8211; add value and you&#8217;ll stand the test of time, fail to do that and you&#8217;ll perish.</p>
<p>I wrote a strategy document for a client about 9 months or so ago. The client happened to have a site that was related to travel.  They were for all intents and purposes, a bit of a thin affiliate.  To be honest at the time, I groaned about this client, in fact I sighed deeply, as I&#8217;d been there before in a past life. I&#8217;d built many a thin affiliate site adding limited value and been a little naive to think they&#8217;d all last forever.</p>
<p>I guess looking back, as painful as it was to see my little spam babies die a death, it taught me an important lesson about search and marketing and what&#8217;s required to keep something alive online in 2008.</p>
<p>I was the archetypal technology driven code solutionist,  the challenge of ranking in SERPs was and still is in lots of ways all about creating the write kinds of signal, be they on the page on the domain or off the domain. My view or approach was by and large relatively simple. Create a domain and attack the aspects of the search engine systems that decided what sites lived and what sites died.  The methodology was simple, look at who is there in the space and do what they do, albeit better.</p>
<p>Of course, that&#8217;s a simplistic overview to what is a multifaced problem &#8211; companies invest thousands of pounds paying people like me to win in the SERPs. Winning in the SERPs today on the face of it, may still appear to be a  simplistic route of  change the code on page and get a few links, yet when you get under the hood you realise that of course, it&#8217;s a little more sophisticated than that.</p>
<p>You need a site that is technically competent, that also engages your audience, without an audience you have no base, no visitors, no sales.</p>
<p><strong>Create conversations get people talking</strong></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a big secret no-one knew ;0) &#8230;online marketing today is very similar to offline marketing!</p>
<p>You want to create a product that people want to both buy in to, and that people will keep coming back to too. You want to have products that are recognised for the value they add to the space and that stimulate debate and conversations.You want to be known in the marketplace as a leader in that field, recognised for what you give to those who buy into you.</p>
<p>Advertising agencies use traditional old style media  to tap into our emotions and stimulate conversations and help us identify when we are out shopping in stores. Billboards, posters, leaflets all help re-enforce that familiarity created by that image of the  sexy female pouting or husky hunk posing to some chilled tune in an idyllic  setting using that laptop or driving that car or lounging on that new leather 3 piece suite. The idea is that we want to be those people, and that by buying those products we can. It is of course a symptom of a fucked up existence that a lot of us  feel the need to do this, but it&#8217;s how it is.  It&#8217;s the way society works, it drives consumerism and helps keep things ticking over &#8211; heck, why shouldn&#8217;t people get to live out their dreams, what&#8217;s wrong with a little artificially induced self actualisation, be anyone you want to be right? A huge topic in itself, yet like it or not, it&#8217;s a part of this conversation, people talk about things that are good or cool or interesting, people want to be associated with these and as a result will talk about them, be it over coffee, over a pint, at home, on the phone, the list could of course go on.</p>
<p>Online, it isn&#8217;t too dissimilar. Search engines are organisations run and administered by? Bingo, you got it &#8211; people. The old school way of SEO was simply about get your onsite code right and you&#8217;d rank. It then changed a little and required lots of links from wherever you could get them. It changed again and was reliant upon the quality and type of links, today it&#8217;s evolving further still.</p>
<p><strong>Do search engines want to mirror societies needs and wishes?</strong></p>
<p>Search engines have access to lots of metrics that tell them different things &#8211; toolbars,  analytics, clickthrough rates on ads, ISP data, link graphs, bounce rates etc all contribute in one shape or form to how a search engine see&#8217;s a domain.  It&#8217;s fair to conclude that a search engineer would be far more inclined to find ways to rank good content that was more difficult for SEO&#8217;s to get in and meddle with or manipulate. Only a fool would ignore the fact that search engines have accessed billions of documents and have performed numerous studies into what is a natural link graph versus what isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.searchbistro.com/index.php?/archives/23-Googles-Human-Quality-Evaluation-How-To-Spot-Offensive-Sites-Googles-Whitelist.html">Whitelisting</a> aside, you&#8217;d be a fool not to try and develop a site so that it has a natural link profile rather than one that is overtly manufactured, yet you&#8217;d be a fool if you tried to manufacture it especially when you don&#8217;t need to!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a contradictory thing, it&#8217;s simply a case of there being an effective way and a not so effective way. One way is just about links and links and links, whereas the other is about the right types of links generated in the right types of places in the right kinds of ways.</p>
<p><strong>No one wants to hang in a crappy neighbourhood</strong></p>
<p>If your site is shit and you really believe that you can keyword stuff or shitty productise yourself  to page one of a SERP through technology and guille alone, then you are a big nutter who is wasting not only your time, but the time of every other person who lands on your sorry arsed excuse for a site, stop, build something worthy of the people who you are trying to pull. No one likes you, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-4ce7bfvIk">you are Millwall</a>, you may not care, but others do.</p>
<p><strong>People like good haunts and will tell others</strong></p>
<p>If you have a good site in a niche, then you are probably adding value to that space and are already on the road to creating a good user experience. You probably already have your social share buttons similar to those you&#8217;ll see at the bottom of this post, you might already have your facebook page, your myspace page, a Bebo page &#8211; maybe you&#8217;ve gone the micro blogging route and dipped your toe into the twitter, perhaps you have a seesmic or 12second thing going on, a youtube channel, a presence in the Google Universal search serps &#8211; maybe you podcast them and stick them on itunes&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Getting down with the masses and talking with your customers</strong></p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t then what are you waiting for? Why aren&#8217;t you out there engaging with your audience? Don&#8217;t you want them to talk about your product and what it is you do? Don&#8217;t you want to develop relationships with your consumers and have them come back to you time and time again? Do you really want to be reliant on Google and the ever escalating costs of PPC for ever and a day? No of course you don&#8217;t, you want these people to come back and tell their friends, which is why you should give them the tools to do so.</p>
<p>Companies like <a href="http://en.community.dell.com/blogs/direct2dell/archive/2008/08/19/dell-and-radian6-it-all-starts-with-listening.aspx">DELL</a> have bought into social and are<a href="http://www.internetnews.com/webcontent/article.php/3790161/What+Keeps+Twitter+Chirping+Along.htm"> reaping the rewards</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Less altruistically, some businesses have discovered that Twitter is an effective way of communicating with consumers. Dell (NASDAQ: DELL) says Twitter has produced $1 million in revenue over the past year and a half through sale alerts. People who sign up to follow Dell on Twitter receive messages when discounted products are available the company&#8217;s Home Outlet Store. They can click over to purchase the product or forward the information to others.</p></blockquote>
<p>Tools like <a href="http://www.radian6.com/">Radian 6 </a>are used to identfiy pinch points and conversation nodes. Opinion formers are identifed and enaged with. If a problem with a new product is identified then rather than let it grow legs and become some uncontrollable monster the social graph of the web can be quickly identified.</p>
<p>Companies like Google use social media in similar ways. (They aren&#8217;t just about algorithms) Matt Cutts more commonly <a href="http://www.mattcutts.com/blog">uses his blog</a> but also uses his <a href="http://twitter.com/mattcutts">Twitter account</a> as does a colleague of his <a href="http://twitter.com/johnmu">John Mueller</a> who on occassions has reached out to users of their product, engaging with people <a href="http://twitter.com/JohnMu/statuses/1033935516">who are having issues</a>.</p>
<p>Many companies experience reputation management issues on the web, these could so often have been nipped in the bud had the companies affected had a social media plan in place. Blogs, forums, social accounts all enable for engagement with ones online user base, I&#8217;d argue that they are fundamental for any orgnisation or individual doing business on the web today.</p>
<p>But back to search and seo and using these signals, what do search engines get from these and why are they important?</p>
<p><strong>Search Engines  Signals and Social</strong></p>
<p>Very recently, Google introduced a search wiki element to it&#8217;s SERPS. Lots of people have <a href="http:/http://twitter.com/graywolf/status/1019346911/">moaned </a>and groaned and theorised so I won&#8217;t do too much of that. The point is that people can (if they so wish) change aspects of their SERPs. Personalisation has been given one more additional option.</p>
<p>If people like a site, they can vote it up. If a site is voted up, it&#8217;s less susceptible to any algorithmic shifts (for that user) and will therefore (for that user) have a little more stability (for that query).  It&#8217;s reasonable to suggest that enough people from a diverse enough set of ISP, IP, OS and Geographical variances vote up a site on a given query then maybe, just maybe that Google too might see this as an additional signal of quality and do the same in its non personalised results. Ignoring the fact that it seems odd that people would vote up a site in a result before they clicked it of course, and you begin to see how quality really can make a difference.</p>
<p>Taking all of this a little step further, we only have to see the power of some sites and their ability to rank to begin to appreciate the value of social in an algorithmic sense.</p>
<p>If people are talking about you (linking) on platforms that are regulary spidered, then if the engines so chose to, these could be interpreted as a powerful set of social signals. That is, real people talking about real products that offer real value or the obverse as the case may be.   If sites are regulary cited in social spaces be it via making the front page of  social bookmarking sites like digg, or appearing in hundreds of favoutited social profiles of stumbleupon users, or via a sudden flurry of tweets from hundreds of tweeters on twitter.com then you can pretty much bet that the site being referenced has stimulated something that is discussionworthy. be that good or bad is up for the engines to determine, however the important takeaway is that it&#8217;s a safer signal of something that hasn&#8217;t been artificially manipulated by some savvy SEO,and  even if it has, then the effort required to do so, is a signal in itself that the people who decided to push it so hard, felt it relevant to the queries that the site will seek to target, and subsequently rank for.</p>
<p>Anyways, that&#8217;s enough &#8211; thanks to<a href="http://www.seo-writer.com/blog/2008/12/03/sticky-seo-e-book-released/"> David </a>for getting me thinking about this stuff , thanks for reading, maybe you learnt something. <img src='http://www.yackyack.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: bold">Old School SEO Sucks and in isolation is a waste of money</span></p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be telling anyone anything new when I say that today in 2008 the web is a very different place from the web we knew in 1998. Back then Google was pretty fledgling, and spent a lot of time and energy building relationships with webmasters in the various webmaster hangouts. Back then, with a little programming nous and a lot of SEO knowledge you could easily make inroads to as many verticals as you had the time to manage or play in. It really was possible to wake up and say, &#8220;right, today I&#8217;m going to target x&#8221; and in as little as week you could be ranking for x related keywords and earning coin.</p>
<p>Today of course you still can, yet it&#8217;s a little bit more tricky of course. Many of the quick win doors have been closed. There aren&#8217;t as many keyword rich domains to choose from. The acquisition of links is also   wrought with hurdles which must be negotiated with tact and a little cunning even. Every single aspect of web marketing today has changed and matured to a point where anyone considering embarking on  an Internet  start-up that doesn&#8217;t have a team with the historical background knowledge of the debates and nuances that have shaped things over the years is, well, to put it bluntly, taking a big stab in the dark.</p>
<p><strong>How so </strong></p>
<p>A look at the easy stuff for starters, the so called &#8216;on page&#8217; factors would have you think that &#8216;hey, this is all easy  stuff, just get the onpage implementations right and we are good to go&#8217; . Yeah right, exactly if only that were so, yet you&#8217;d be amazed at how many web developers fall at this relatively simple 1st hurdle. It does not cease to amaze me the complete and utter lack of knowledge that exists out there on the most basic of SEO principles. You would not believe the number of people I encounter regularly who just do not get the most simplest of concepts. Page titles, keyword usage, clean URL&#8217;s, avoidance of flash, good contextual keyword rich navigation structures to name but a few. Lots and lots and lots of very talented smart people, just don&#8217;t get it. It&#8217;s almost as if the marketing of their product designed for a marketplace just wasn&#8217;t considered. It&#8217;s akin to building a boat designed to sail the ocean waves and sticking funky big holes in the hull because they happen to look cool. Net effect, the boat sinks!</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold">It isn&#8217;t just about SEO</span></p>
<p>How many developers out there today hooked on Ruby and Ajax web 2 ideas are knocking up apps that in terms of search engine friendliness just aren&#8217;t worth squat. It&#8217;s almost like SEO and one of the biggest potential traffic generation drivers [search engines] is almost an afterthought. It&#8217;s as if some of these guys say, right we&#8217;ll build this site, tell our customers and make some money on the Internet, yet have no clue as to how it even works. Can you imagine thinking right, I&#8217;m going to buy me a car and drive it to the other side of the world and meet lots of new people on the way, packing your bags, filling the trunk, getting everything shipshape and ready only to sit in the drivers seat and realising that you can&#8217;t even drive? Not the best analogy perhaps no, yet that is exactly what company after company after company do. They employ inexperienced people who think they know what they are doing yet know nothing. They really believe that it&#8217;s just all about meta tags or keyword density and nothing else. They really don&#8217;t get the whole joined up thinking thing that connects what it is they do to a meaningful SERP position. The lucky ones learn fast and find a company that get the whole gig and hold their hands and walk them through the rights and wrongs of their websites, developing structured plans that&#8217;ll help them get to where they want to be.Those with the resources and patience required can usually get there eventually, but for the many trying to break into their niche without sufficient resource or appreciation of the time investment required, then it can really be a big problem.</p>
<p style="font-weight: bold">Playing catchup in 2008</p>
<p>In a 10 places shop window there isn&#8217;t a lot of room for new kids on the block. A new player has to be able to hit all the buttons required to get them where they need to be, whilst competing with those who are out miles in front. If site x has 6000 quality web citations then site y is going to have to work pretty hard to get anywhere near them on that front.If site x has established communities of regular patrons drawn from a rich diversity of geographic areas then again, site y is going to have it&#8217;s work cut out to compete there too. In the web economy of 1998 links were relatively easy to acquire, you seldom had to pay and you could them from practically anywhere you liked. Today of course it&#8217;s a whole different story. Links need to be sourced from the right places , in the right ways and need to be of the right type to have the desired effect.</p>
<p>Universal search makes it all doubly harder too. With Google working hard to mitigate the effects of competitive SEO there just aren&#8217;t the spaces to go around either they are &#8216;ever dwindling&#8217;. Today&#8217;s search results are often outputted in ways that give the user a wide diversity of choice. A search for Mortgages might contain a mix of  banks, local, informational, news, blogs, rich media and comparison type sites. This means that any expectation to come from nowhere and compete for that keyword is at best ambitious and at worst delusional. Understanding the hows and why&#8217;s of how those components of such universal results is an obvious asset.</p>
<p>Yet how many people truly know or even appreciate how or why this is important? How many people just shrug and think, ah that clever Google bot algo thingy all knowing all seeing just knows what to put there.  Thankfully for most, the answer is lots.Knowledgeable web marketers today will attack all aspects of those SERPs and seek to influence them towards the goals of their clients. Done correctly, people won&#8217;t even notice the subtleties. Done correctly a new kid on the block struggling to compete for that unattainable organic 1st or 2nd position slot might suddenly find themselves enjoying the raft of complementary traffic that comes from a developed strategy. That youtube channel with the viral video, that carefully crafted, widely publicised press release or article, that funny viral game, that shock controversial revelation will be seen for the fantastic investment it quite clearly was.</p>
<p>At the end of it all I guess nothing has really changed at all, it&#8217;s all still about  putting bums on seats and eyes in front of screen, yet the means to do so requires the employment of people who really get this kind of stuff and have the contacts and resources to deliver, it just really isn&#8217;t enough to employ an SEO who says I&#8217;ll get you a few links and fix your meta tags. If this is what your SEO company told you, then do yourself a favour and sack them today.</p>
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<p>No, not *this* website silly, the websites of people who land on this page, you know, those people who sit on Google or !Y looking for ways of promoting their sites confused by the overwhelming amount of stuff out there all shouting, Read me! Read Me! Like some Alice in Wonderland Bottle of Drink Me.</p>
<h2>Promote <strike>my  </strike>your website online</h2>
<p>Regular readers aside, there is a chance that you may have come from a search engine for a query related to <strong>promote my website online</strong>, or <strong>get on the first page of Google</strong> or <strong>SEO for small businesses </strong>or <strong>Improve my sites position in the search engines </strong>or &#8230; I&#8217;ll stop there, point made.</p>
<p>Potentially the list is endless. All manner of people search for things in all manner of ways. There is no set in stone route. There are indicators and tools that people and companies working in fields like me, use   daily to get a feel for a niche or domain. We look at search data provided to us by the search engines based on the competitiveness of an a PPC keyword or phrase, some of us have access to stat counter data that allows us to use data collected real time from websites that have the code installed, allowing us to see things like referral strings, user activities and clickthroughs. In other words we use information indicators from real people in real life scenarios.  There is little if any guess work involved, it&#8217;s asbout real data crunching and using that knowledge to inform your strategies.</p>
<h3>Promoting a small business online</h3>
<p>Big businesses with big budgets have it easy. They already have the content, already have the budget that enables them to invest in people who can help them get to, and understand what it is they need to do and how it is they do it. Small businesses do not usually have access to  similar resources.</p>
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<p><strong>Search marketing for SME&#8217;s</strong></p>
<p>So how do you get started? Lets just assume you already have a website that&#8217;s been built, you might have already paid an <a href="http://www.yackyack.co.uk">SEO  </a>or an SEO Company to optimise your website or you might not have, whatever the case, lets just look at what might be a typical scenario.</p>
<p><strong>A typical brochure type website</strong></p>
<p>Your site is some old type standard 4 page website with a Flash animated intro perhaps a  Home, About, Services and Contact page with a bit of static text that says not very much at all. What people don&#8217;t know is that, despite you being small, you have a massive catalog of products and stock, you have a small sales team, a customer support team, a marketing dept that deals with newspaper ads and off line directories, you have a distribution network, a product development team with an inhouse design dept too. You are small on the grand scale but in your niche you like to think you are getting to where you need to be. Your company in the area you operate is well known and respected, and your suppliers and customers all value what you do tremendously.  Yet outside your little bubble nobody knows that. A little glance at your website reveals none of any of that, in the online world nobody knows because nobody told them.</p>
<h4>Invest in your online presence and get that ROI</h4>
<p>I hear some of you saying but hang on, I just paid $5000-00 for that website You mean Ive got to rip it all up and redo it? The answer to that is in some cases YES in some cases NO. Some websites are so awful that they are just beyond redemption. The attention they need is so drastic that they might as well start again from scratch, they need a root and branch deconstruction that addresses absolutely everything, their only redeeming feature is the email addresses that came with the domain. For others it&#8217;s not so drastic, it&#8217;s a fairly straightforward case of assessing the resources at hand and deciding what to do with them. This single  blog post isn&#8217;t really the place to do justice to what is often a complex individual thing in that no two businesses are exactly the same. All have their own strengths and weaknesses that need to be assessed in the light of the company at hands aims and objectives, that said there are a few things I&#8217;d like to leave you with to consider.</p>
<h4><strike>7</strike>  8 general SEM tips that will help your website succeed online</h4>
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<li><strong>Employ a professional SEM/SEO firm or SEO Consultant</strong>The best way would be to employ one of the above to deliver an improvement. Forget the outlay, it really shouldn&#8217;t be a concern. A well constructed, SEO/SEM campaign can deliver a massive ROI, massive. They should be able to help you look at your business and help you with a strategy that will propel you through the roof.<strong>Don&#8217;t want to do that? Scared off by the fees? Don&#8217;t have the initial investment capital required? </strong>
<p>Not to worry, you can have a go at doing it yourself, at least aspects of it, but prepare to make a few mistakes and lose a $ or 2 in the process&#8230;</li>
<li><strong>Invest in a PPC program.</strong>You wouldn&#8217;t think twice about paying £500 for a onetime half page local newspaper advert, yet the same money could deliver up to 5000 laser targeted geographically related enquiries directly to your site from people in buy mode. Try this <a href="http://clkuk.tradedoubler.com/click?p(24276)a(1445453)g(16320074)" rel="nofollow">link </a>(free £50 at the time of publication). A good PPC program will enable you to identify related keywords and phrases relative to your product or service and deliver visitors who have entered these into search engines.<br />
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<li><strong>If you have a product database, put it online! </strong>If you sell things then people online will not know unless you tell them. Getting your inventory into a web based system is an absolutely crucial part of any online marketing and promotion strategy. Do it now, send me a message from here and <a href="http://www.yackyack.co.uk/search-marketing-services/">I&#8217;ll tell you where to go</a>, heck I might even do it for you.</li>
<li><strong>Use your staff to build you content </strong>Identify your company strengths and use the people you employ. Install software that will enable you to use your team to big up your products online, allocate company time to key individuals with something to say, get them all singing from the same hymn sheet, get their enthusiasm for your company, their jobs, your customers, your products out there.<br />
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<li><strong>Interact with your customers and suppliers </strong>Install software that gives your customers genuine opportunities to feedback and interact. Show the world that your company is alive and reacting to customer issues or concerns. Allow the people who have used your products or services to talk about their experiences, if your products and services are good then with the right approach you&#8217;ll be surprised at how you can pull people in and share their views. This well help solidify relationships and improve repeat sales and increase user confidence in your company its products and services.</li>
<li><strong>Use social media to reach out to your niche </strong>The online world has an array of fora with dedicated categories and communities for all manner of interests. If a category or community doesn&#8217;t exist then consider creating one. Interact with bloggers and <a href="http://robwatts.stumbleupon.com">stumblers</a> generate interest and get your stuff <a href="http://digg.com">dugg</a> build networks and friends with similar interests. Use sites like Myspace and Facebook to generate interest and Buzz, get your company or you out there in your space.<br />
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<li><strong>Get relevant links to your site for the keywords you seek to attain </strong>There is no real substitute for using a bonafide link building service, a good <a href="http://www.yackyack.co.uk/linky-love-content-creation.php">link building service</a> will know where to acquire the right kinds of links. They will often as part of their service, offer a <a href="http://thearticlewriter.com/blog/">content writing service</a> too which will help your domain get the necessary links required to assist in your overall website promotion strategy. It should be said too that by following   the proposals above you will naturally attract links to your site which will over time,  improve your websites performance in the Search engine results pages (SERPS) ultimately lowering your PPC adspend into the bargain.</li>
<li><strong>Read blogs and content from people and companies who have a passion for this stuff </strong>Not vital, but you&#8217;d do a lot worse that to read articles and content from people who live and breath this stuff, me aside of course you might also do well to read blogs related to <a href="http://doshdosh.com">Online marketing  ideas</a>, <a href="http://andybeard.eu">Niche marketing</a> ,<a href="http://socialdesire.com">Social Media </a>, <a href="http://www.latitudegroup.com/index.php?/weblog/permalink/the_uks_biggest_shopping_day_and_what_lies_ahead/">Search marketing and online sales</a> to mention a few. Why? Simple really, doing business online is the future for many businesses today. By increasing your knowledge base you increase your ability to make informed choices that will enable you to make the best possible purchasing decisions. If you ever bought a &#8216;pay £10 per month for submission to a zillion search engine package&#8217; then you&#8217;ll know exactly what I mean.</li>
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<p>Getting back to where I started initially, if you found this article online then it might have been because you were looking for ways to promote your site. Perhaps you&#8217;d been burned in the past by some company that didn&#8217;t deliver or for reasons related to a limited budget. Heck you might even be a company just starting out looking for ideas and information. Whatever the case, I hope you found it all useful and wish you every success for 2008.</p>
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<p>Jill talks about changing url&#8217;s in her <a href="http://www.highrankings.com/advisor/changing-urls/">post here</a>.  In my opinion, if you have a good ranking URL then to change it for the sake of a position or 2 is a little silly and potentially destructive.</p>
<p>That said, it did get me thinking about the whole keywords in url thing around whether it is a good thing or a bad thing to use them.</p>
<p>Perhaps bad thing doesn&#8217;t really come in to it. Besides excessive use, I can&#8217;t think of any bad reason at all. I think  if anything they are good thing as they are both descriptive for humans and may also gain you a little weight in any link based algorithm that gave weight to keywords in the anchor text of a link, especially if people chose to link to you using the url only. Seen within a SERP they may also inspire a user to click through, simply via the fact that they tie the page to to the user query.</p>
<p>Consider this.</p>
<p>domain.com/keyword-keyword.htm</p>
<p>vs</p>
<p>domain.com/123456789.htm</p>
<p>Now, if that url is picked up by a search engine then any anchor text attribution will either be of the form 123456789 or keyword-keyword. Keyword-keyword would certainly be of more benefit especially as -&#8217;s are treated as space delimiters. (<em>Jill does cover  this in her piece, so do go checkout what she said</em>)</p>
<p>So what to do? Do we create nice juicy keyword urls in our CMS&#8217;s or do we just stick to short xyzpagename.htm conventions? I think it&#8217;s pretty clear to say that we&#8217;d be better served long term by using keywords in our URL&#8217;s, if only for the user benefits mentioned previously.</p>
<p><strong>Algorithmically do keywords in a url even matter?</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to prove or disprove absolutely. I&#8217;ve tested this in the past and at the time I came to the conclusion that keywords in a url were worth doing and did give you an additional asset. Yet I can&#8217;t say with any certainty that the same applies today and forver more, simply because there are too many variables at play and you can&#8217;t ever be certain for sure around what SERPs are being weighted in which way and why. IMO different SERPs have different entry criteria, what might be easy to rank for in one space will be doubly difficult in another, simply because of how the algo has been weighted at the backend.</p>
<p>Search algorithms are a constantly moving target, (a little like search guidelines <img src='http://www.yackyack.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) They are updated and modified to take into account both the changing nature of the Internet itself as well as the actions of SEO&#8217;s looking to exploit a flaw or two.</p>
<p><strong>How would you test such a thing?</strong></p>
<p>There are all manner of ways of testing things, or reverse engineering algorithms to test and see how they work. I won&#8217;t focus too much on the software that already exists out there other than to say that some programs allow you to analyse SERPs and look at things like keyword placement and densities and back link numbers and other contributing factors to overall SERP position, none of which do any kind of definitive &#8216;that&#8217;s the whole unifying answer to what you seek&#8217; simply because there are too many hidden variables that we don&#8217;t have absolute access and scrutiny of. These might be the trust rank number of the page or domain that links out, the human factor of the edited SERP whereby a search engine employee has artificailly downgraded or boosted a particular page or domain.</p>
<p>Thankfully, for the purpose of this little test, I think there is still a way to determine whether keywords in a url have a contributory benefit.For the basis of this example, in a test of &#8216;do keywords  in the url have any bearing on a serp&#8217; here is what you might want to try.</p>
<p><strong>Create 2 pages of equal size and structure.</strong></p>
<p>Lets say that each page has a title tag, a h1 tag a paragraph of random nonsense text with an instance of the &#8216;magic&#8217; keyword. The magic keyword would be something like huggersaurus, that mythical friendly dinosaur with a penchant for squashing people with love.</p>
<p>Page one would would mention the keyword in the title, the Hn tag, the p tag and in the url.</p>
<p>Page two would would mention the keyword in the title, the Hn tag, the p tag but not within the url.</p>
<p>We would then link to these pages using our anchor text and see what one would be returned first in any SERP.</p>
<p>We would need to vary the other words with our title and Hn and paragraph tags in a way that created two different pages of equal size and keyword density. It wouldn&#8217;t really help our test if one was demoted on the basis of some dupe content penalty.</p>
<p>We&#8217;d also need to ensure that for the purposes of our test, we measured and monitored what page we linked to first and how.</p>
<p>For example, I might well create a  link_to_page_one_ here, then a link_to_page_two_here.</p>
<p>Any bot encountering such links *might* well take into account what link was cited first and apply a small degree of weight in any date_encountered_timestamp field. To account for this, we would run another test in tandem that reversed the positions, so that we linked to page with keywords in the url second, rather than 1st. The pages would be of equal size and structure albeit with a different keyword.We could then look at what page was returned in any SERP and draw our various conclusions. If page with keyword in URL was returned 1st, then we could say that keywords in the URL do have a slight advantage over those that do not.</p>
<p>If we wanted to, we could also play around a little more and link to the pages in different ways. We could see if anchor text gave a significant boost to our pages and record how variances affected the outcomes. We could for example link to the page with the single keyword or multiple keywords, or the absence of the keywords and rinse and repeat until we were happy with our results.</p>
<p>Lots of SEO&#8217;s do this sort of stuff, it&#8217;s a great way of learning about algo&#8217;s and weightings and how the positioning of elements can and does have an effect of the makeup of a SERP. That said, lots of SEO&#8217;s don&#8217;t bother either, simply because they already have an instinctual feel for what works and what doesn&#8217;t. They know how to get pages ranked and know the best methods for doing so. They don&#8217;t need to test such things and unless you are an anorak geek, neither should you really! It&#8217;s fun to play around with it though, dont you think? <img src='http://www.yackyack.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p><strong>SEO is not the wysiwyg thing we&#8217;d all like to believe</strong></p>
<p>SEO &#8211; the process of search engine optimisation as we&#8217;ve all come to know and love may appear to be about cause and effect but is it really so?</p>
<p>Whilst it&#8217;s nice to think that our seo efforts are a simple case of do action x, wait, montitor record, rinse repeat/reduce the reality is very often, much, much further from the truth.</p>
<p><strong>Do not believe the lie of the algorithm</strong></p>
<p>SERP&#8217;s are a monitored thing &#8211; do not believe that it&#8217;s an algorithmic thing. It is not true, it really is not.</p>
<p>Whilst it may be kinda cool to think that there&#8217;s this cool algorithm that sorts out bits and bytes and densities and semantic relationships and link structure and magically puts them all together to create a list of relevant sites for your inputted keyword, the reality is that this is only part of the equation.</p>
<p><strong>Some SERPs are editorially controlled</strong></p>
<p>This is especially true when the space in which you play just happens to be a touch more competitive than the rest. Be it &#8216;Hotels in $place&#8217; or &#8216;$service in $place&#8217; or &#8216;$product $common_search_string&#8217; you can be pretty sure that SERP positions like those will be looked at both by your competitors vieing for the same and by the search engine that monitors them. If you happen to be ranking for a term and a competitor finds something to report you on then, you might just find yourself thrust into the unwelcome gaze of the search engine death squads.</p>
<p>If what you produce that lands in these pages isn&#8217;t up to some loosely defined subjective opinion of a search engine rep using some &#8216;vote based opinion scoring system designed to weed out anyone who doesn&#8217;t happen to <strong>fit the criteria of the day&#8217;</strong> then you can be pretty sure that an action  affecting how your page performs in the SERP will be levied against you. The only notification you will receive will be your inability to rank where you once were accomapnied by significant drops in income.</p>
<p>The reality is that if you are doing things that in the view of the search rep are  &#8217;designed to manipulate the outcome of a SERP&#8217; , then you may find that your efforts have been in vain.</p>
<p><strong>Search engine guidelines are a site zappers charter </strong></p>
<p>There is an certain irony in that whilst we are told not to do things for the benefit of the search engine, to not even try and push the boundries would dictate that we would simply not rank for most of the words we would like to. Humans like to figure things out. If a person knew that putting a hidden pink fairy on their web page would help boost them to page one, then they&#8217;d be a fool not to do it, especially if everyone else was doing the same.This one of the many idiocies that exist within search engine guidelines.</p>
<p>The facts are that in order to keep up with our competitors we must do similar things to them and hope that our content or profile allows us to be teflon too. We are damned if we do and damned if we dont,  by taking these actions, we give the search reps a green light to downgrade or reduce our ability to rank, if we choose not to then we&#8217;ll never rank for jack. An example could be a series of site wide navigational links that link through to various pages, do they exist to help manipulate the search bots, or do they exist to help our visitors under some BS view of usability?</p>
<p><strong>Link juice is vital to SERP performance</strong> </p>
<p>SEO&#8217;s learnt a long time ago  that by pointing a variance of differing keywords from differing places in sufficient numbers will have the effect of boosting our target pages&#8217; SERP performance. They do so because in their view they happen to believe that the page that they want to get there is the best page for this particular term. It&#8217;s laser focused and relevant to the theme or set of words they wish to rank for. Just go look at any keyword SERP and you&#8217;ll see evidence of this in effect.</p>
<p>Yet to do so, could be interpreted as highly manipulative and could get you kicked out of a SERP overnight. Should this happen then you can forget about tweaking title tags or going out and getting more links, or playing with keyword densities or disallowing duplicate content or insert_any_other_number_of_random_suggested_groovy_moves as you will be basically wasting your time. The only way to repair such an action is to get the manually applied sanction lifted. You could try de-optimising or scaling down your seo efforts, yet what is the point in doing that? Who really wants to rank on page 6 for their natural efforts?!</p>
<p><strong>The SEO is a waste of money message</strong></p>
<p>So it would seem that taking the SEO route is a risky business. It would seem that a subtext of the &#8216;we want the best pages for our users&#8217; mantra gievn to us from search engine mouthpieces is really about don&#8217;t employ SEO, advertise with us instead and if you can&#8217;t afford to then maybe you should consider why you are here in the 1st place.</p>
<p>The message we are being sent is that whilst SEO can be immensley profitable, it can also be taken away in a heartbeat too. Don&#8217;t spend money on SEO, spend it on our search engine advertising programs.  </p>
<p><strong>SEO is honest versus Search engine penalties are not</strong> </p>
<p><strong>SEO is Honest</strong> &#8211; Every single thing an SEO does is open and available for public scrutiny.Can the same be said for a search engineer?</p>
<p>Via the use of a combination of the various reporting tools of Y!, Msn Live, Ask, Google, GigaBlast, search caches, user agent switchers etc you can pretty much determine the reasons why a page ranks well. It&#8217;s there for all to see, nothing is hidden. All you then do is either replicate those aspects or do it better.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s that I hear you say? What about invisible text, or javascript redirects, or cloaked pages, or keyword spam, blog spam, domain spam, keyword stuffing etc etc..the simple answer is, none of these are SEO. They are tactics that the search engines were too dumb to filter out,so chose instead to paint them in some evil kind of guise.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t buy the whole blackhat vs whitehat argument as it&#8217;s simply not true.</p>
<p><strong>Silent search engine penalties are dishonest</strong> -If you happen to come under the scrutiny of a search engineer in a bad mood then the reality is that you can find yourself pretty much blown out of the water overnight.</p>
<p>Your site or page will no longer be adjudged on the basis of its content, its link structure, its html composition, its popularity, its age, its relevance. It will be adjudged on one factor and one factor only, that factor being the opinion and mood of some random stranger hiding in the shadows deciding that you&#8217;ve breached some loosely defined guideline. They are too cowardly to say  hey dude we didn&#8217;t like that so we did that.Unless it&#8217;s otherwise politically expedient to do so, you can be pretty sure that he (or she) won&#8217;t afford you the  courtesy of letting you know as christ, that&#8217;ll just make your life easy, and easy isn&#8217;t what they want your life to be. You are after all, playing in the playground of SEO, you are daring to purposely manipulate the output of their SERP&#8217;s and worse still you know how to too, you dastardly SEO you.</p>
<p><strong>SEO <em>IS</em> worth it</strong></p>
<p>The upside is, that it really isn&#8217;t so difficult to look at any site in any serp these days and see what terms a site is targetting. If you have the requisite site authority score then you can pretty quickly attain good serps for a good number of keywords. It&#8217;s just a matter of generating the right inlinks from the right places with the right content.</p>
<p>Fly below the radar and you&#8217;ll do ok, alert the attention of a SERP cop and you could find yourself sunk, especially if you aren&#8217;t an important brand. The view is, there are 100&#8242;s of other equally relevant pages waiting to take your place. You can&#8217;t insulate yourself completely, and it&#8217;s probably best to just plug along and forget that search engines exist, at least from a  monetisation perspective.</p>
<p><strong>Risk versus reward and a long term view</strong></p>
<p>As mantric as it sounds, you are far better served building something that you have a genuine passion for, or products for, and promoting it without search engines in mind as ultimately the resultant loss of any business accrued via some kind of hit, will then be much easier to cope with.</p>
<p>Yet of course too to say such a thing would be to ignore the massive competitive advantages that your competitors taking more aggressive stances could be acquiring and leave you well behind in the race.</p>
<p>I can recall a site that used to perform well for some pretty big hitting keyword terms using all manner of tactics that for their time, were pretty off the scale as manipulative SEO went. I watched them stay in their position for 3 years, whereby every other week I&#8217;d see them still there and think, hmmn their days are numbered.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve no idea how much money they earnt whilst in those positions but can say with confidence that it was considerably more than the already considerable sum of money a site I ran was attaining for just a fraction of their targetted market. Had I acted like them and replicated their tactic then I too could have done as well as they did. By refusing to compete as they did, by taking the choice to play it safe in the mistaken belief that being a &#8216;good&#8217; boy would serve me well, I lost out. I may have stayed in the game longer than they, yet ultimately my fate was the same as theirs. The search guidelines we&#8217;re changed, my competing site become a thin affiliate, and the rest as they say is history.</p>
<p>Moral of the story &#8211; make hay whilst the sun shines as there are plenty a raincloud on the horizon</p>
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<p><strong>The question train&#8230;where will your train stop?</strong></p>
<p>If you have a question related to Internet marketing or SEO or social media or any related stuff, then drop me an email to <strong>watts underscore rob at hotmail dot com</strong>, and I&#8217;ll do my best to answer it.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t ask me questions in the comments. Email only please.<br />
The type of questions I&#8217;m looking for are those that can be used to flesh out a full post.</p>
<p>Those that require a little bit more than a yes or no type answer <img src='http://www.yackyack.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Maybe a good FAQ will be an outcome, maybe it&#8217;ll just stimulate an interesting post or debate even.</p>
<p><strong>Make your own question train get your readers talking </strong></p>
<p>Why not make your own little question train?</p>
<p>We all have our  specialisms and areas of expertise, why not ask your readers to ask you stuff too?</p>
<p>David could invite people to ask him questions related to <a href="http://www.davidairey.co.uk">Graphic Design</a>, <a href="http://brainbasedbiz.blogspot.com/">Robyn could get people to ask her questions related to the mind</a>, Meg could get people to ask her about some of the great sites she has built or <a href="http://blogpond.com.au/">how to be a good blogger</a>, Jason could get people to ask him questions about <a href="http://www.calacanis.com/">raising funding for new ventures</a>, Darren could get people to ask him how to <a href="http://www.problogger.net/">make money online</a>, Andy could get people to ask him question about <a href="http://andybeard.eu/">blogging and niche marketing</a>, Shoemoney could get people to ask him questions about <a href="http://www.shoemoney.com">affiliate marketing</a>,  Shane on <a href="http://www.zoomstart.com">Business ideas</a>,  Mike about <a href="http://thingsbymike.com/">tips on drawing cartoons</a> , Lyndon could answer questions on <a href="http://www.cornwallseo.com/search">Linkbait</a> , Liz could answer questions on good communication and <a href="http://www.successful-blog.com/">successful blogging &#8230;</a></p>
<p>The list is endless really, we all have our strengths, you know your own far better than I. Share your knowledge, reach out to others, you might just be surprised at how they respond.</p>
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